1:30 < xiphmont_> Vorbis still stands up nicely.  Theora, OTOH, is a a bit 
                   embarrassing.
01:30  * dalias tries to be polite about theora..
01:31 < xiphmont_> rather, it's a bit embarrassing until you look at the code, 
                   then it's alot embarrassing.
01:32 < xiphmont_> and that's 70% 'really fucking stupid encoder, really On2, 
                   be ashamed' and 40% 'format design flaws'.  It's so bad it 
                   adds up to 110%.
01:32 < xiphmont_> I plan to help Theora limp along not too embarrassingly 
                   until it can be replaced for real-- possibly 2-4 years.
01:33 < xiphmont_> Theora is actually fixable tho.  The amount of low-hanging 
                   fruit is staggering.
01:33 < xiphmont_> I mean, an entropy backend that results in *more* bits being 
                   written than went in?  It's just... wow.